Leadership Espresso with Stefan Götz
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Leadership Espresso with Stefan Götz
The Quantum Edge of Business Leadership feat. Colin Tipping
What if the key to extraordinary business success isn't found in better strategy, technology, or talent—but in understanding your organization as an energy field? Colin Tipping, the leading authority on radical leadership tools, reveals a transformative approach that's changing how forward-thinking companies operate.
The conversation begins by exploring how every organization functions as an energy system with four distinct flows: money, information, materials, and what Tipping calls "humanergy" (human energy). While most companies efficiently manage the first three, the human energy component—though arguably most crucial—remains least understood and utilized. Drawing from quantum physics, biology, and consciousness research, Tipping demonstrates how raising organizational vibration creates measurable bottom-line improvements.
At the heart of this approach is a revolutionary understanding of spiritual intelligence—not as something religious or mystical, but as a practical faculty of mind that everyone possesses in equal measure. When leaders learn to activate this intelligence within themselves and their teams, they tap into what physicist David Bohm called the "implicate order"—an unlimited field of potential beyond conventional market constraints.
The practical applications are profound. Workplace conflicts transform from problems into growth opportunities through a five-step process that dissolves energetic blockages. Traditional goal-setting evolves into manifestation—a more powerful approach that attracts possibilities beyond what could be logically planned. McKinsey Australia has confirmed that programs utilizing these consciousness-raising techniques significantly increase productivity while reducing staff turnover.
Most compelling is the paradoxical leadership stance this approach demands: moving purposefully toward objectives while remaining open to unexpected solutions that might "come in from the side." This balance of intention and surrender creates a corporate energy field that naturally attracts ideal team members, innovative breakthroughs, and market leadership.
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Welcome to Fresh Ideas.
Speaker 1:Today we're here in Zurich, switzerland, together with Colin Tipping and Colin Tipping really is the undisputed authority on the issue of radical tools in leadership, how to really go a different way in the organization.
Speaker 1:And actually I'm really happy to have the talk today to have a great discussion, great conversation, and I'd like to walk our way through three chapters that are really relevant to to management. The first is how do we see a company from a corporate energy field? How is that different? The second will be is how to lead our staff, our people, our managers differently and how to lead the markets differently. So I'd like to start with the first one how to see a company as a corporate energy field. And the first thing that I read in your book that was actually, I think, about a biologist, and it's Bruce Lipton, I believe, and he said that in biology they found every living organism has an invisible force and an energy field peculiar to itself, and we found that organizational scientists, educational scientists, really like to compare companies to that kind of picture. So could you explain us how to see a company as a corporate energy field?
Speaker 2:Well, bruce put it really well it's a living organism. Any corporation is the sum total of all the people who work there Not only the people who actually work there, but the people who buy things from them, the people who supply things to them. It's all energy coming in, it's all energy being processed and it's all energy going out. And so what we're always looking for in any sort of an organization whether it be a non-profit organization, a for-profit organization, a church, a government agency doesn't really matter what you're looking for is a free flow of energy through the organization. And so for me, looking at at it as a business, what we're looking at usually is four forms of energy flowing through any organization, but particularly for-profit organizations. Because the first one is money. Money is energy, right, and so we want the money to flow nice and easily through the corporation, and usually corporations are pretty good at that. They've really got a good handle on how to handle the money, how to bring it in from financial organizations, how to process it, how to get the profit in and so on. Very good at that. Second is information the information you need to make good decisions, and that's another form of energy that flows through an organization and people are pretty good at that too. We've really with computers now and data banks and everything else. We're very good at that too. We've really with computers now and data banks and everything else. We're very good at processing information. Third is materials, so that we've got money, information, materials, materials just on time, coming through the organization just in time. Everything's efficient, okay.
Speaker 2:But there's a fourth element that interests me and that's the human energy, and I've actually coined a name for it. I call it human energy. Put the word human and energy together, and that's another part of the energy makeup of any organization is the human energy, and actually, when you think about it, it's not only the most important but it's the least predictable. And that's where our problem is, is that it's the least predictable, and and yet it is one of the greatest resources of the corporation, because if we use our human energy right, then they will then automatically make everything else flow well. So if your human energy is flawed, then you've got a problem right, let's go into more details later on about this human energy.
Speaker 1:I think it's really an interesting issue. Before we start stumping, and let us understand why is a company an energy field? And I think we could learn a lot from quantum physics and David Bohm, who is one of the greatest in that field and he was actually assistant professor to Albert Einstein. What did he really find out and how could it help us understand to see a company as an energy field?
Speaker 2:Well, he talked about how energy is in basically two parts that there is this quantum field called the implicate order, where everything that ever was, is or will be is contained in this potential, as potential in what he called the implicate order. And then the other part is what he called the explicate order, which is where things are made manifest. And when we get on to talking about how we run a corporation and how we create goal setting, what we're doing is using that ability to go into the implicate order and manifest there and bring that into the, into the explicate order, through through spiritual practice.
Speaker 1:So wait a minute. You're telling me right now that quantum physics is is telling us there is an unlimited potential out there, so the market is not limited that we have to fight about. But you're telling us there's unlimited potential that we can tap into and make it physical, make it real. Yes, is that correct? That's correct. Okay, that's some real correct.
Speaker 2:That's correct, okay, but that's some real news, right, yeah, but the critical factor is consciousness. There we go. The critical factor is how we process that energy. So we're coming back now to really the power of the individual within the corporation to create the energy field within the larger corporation, to pull that potential to us.
Speaker 1:So wait a minute, step by step now. So we have an unlimited energy field. We can tap into that field by our consciousness. We can tap into that field by our consciousness. Yes, so quantum physics tells us, basically, life market, anything is energy. If we raise our consciousness, if we put our consciousness into that, we can make it matter. We can make it real, we can make it explicit. We're doing it all the time, but we're doing it matter. We can make it real, we can make it explicit.
Speaker 2:We're doing it all the time, but we're doing it largely unconsciously. We don't know that we're doing it that way, and if our consciousness is not, if it's relatively low, then we'll pull out of that implicate order whatever will match our low consciousness. So the challenge for us to bring it back to human energy here the challenge for us is to apply our spiritual intelligence to this task of creating from the implicate order. It's not easy for us to do that out of our normal rational mind. Our rational mind doesn't work that way. There are three forms of intelligence, and this is really important. The intelligence that we know about and can manipulate and we can actually hone it is mental intelligence.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. We know that.
Speaker 2:We know that and we know how to measure it, we know how to improve it and so on and so forth. And over the last few years we've been quite good at emotional intelligence. Daniel Goldman really brought this out, how corporations can use emotional intelligence to use the heart energy to improve our consciousness, to raise our level of consciousness to a higher level. But then what I'm interested in is spiritual intelligence, and this is really what we use to raise ourselves another couple of notches so that we become much more in tune with what is out there in the implicate order and we can start to pull it in through our spiritual intelligence, which is a much higher order of functioning than both emotional intelligence and mental intelligence.
Speaker 1:Now, I do know that most people have a problem with spirituality. Yes, but what do you mean by spiritual intelligence? How is it different?
Speaker 2:It's just another faculty of mind. It has nothing to do with religion. It really doesn't have anything to do with spirituality in the sense that you have to be a spiritual person. So no orange robe wearing no, no or beards.
Speaker 1:No, beards or nothing. You don't have a beard no.
Speaker 2:It's a faculty of mind that we all have, right To equal measure.
Speaker 2:It's not even one where some people have more than others. We've more or less got equal measure of spiritual intelligence, but it's the part of our psyche that is able to connect into what I call universal intelligence. You could call it God, if you want to, if you have a religious point of view, you can call it the universe. You can call it infinite intelligence, whatever you want to call it, but I think most people are aware that there is some sort of a power that's greater than ourselves, right, right. And so, whatever you want to call it, tap into through our intuition, through our heart, through our body, in order to really start to work this energy way of working through energy, because it's all energy in the end. Okay, and our corporation is nothing more than an energy field, as you mentioned at the very beginning, and the corporation is the sum of all its parts, and if everyone in the corporation has a high level of ability to use spiritual intelligence, it will empower that corporation in a way that that it's never happened before.
Speaker 1:So what you're telling us is like it there is a total new way of leaving a company, of seeing a company, coming from quantum physics rather than from any religion, let's put it this way. Yeah, it has nothing to do nothing to do with it. No, and if I sum up, from what I figured, the picture that I got is, if you have a company, we have a number of people, leaders, in that company that are all connected with each other, and the connection is also through an energy field. But the energy field comes from every single person. We all know that People sometimes say, oh, I'm a good energy and a bad energy, so they bring their energy to the company.
Speaker 1:It's there anyway. And if we have the idea of in my team, if I'm in sales, in R&D, wherever my team around is connected with everyone. It's interrelated. Yes, so if someone is on a low energy or a high energy, everybody is somehow on a low energy and somehow on a high energy. To understand, it's not just oh, them are low, me are up, but part of me is low, that's one, but part of me is low, that's one. The second one is, if we want to shift it, we can see it as a field that we can raise through our awareness, through consciousness, and actually everyone can take part in that. Everyone can do it and will shift it for the entire team. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:And the last thing I understand is if the entire team is interrelated everyone brings the energy, raises the energy, raises the field then this field now will have an impact on the overall universal field of possibilities, which is not limited. It's not like a cake of a market that if you, if you put out, if you take a slice, it's smaller. No, it's actually unlimited. Right, it's the end of fighting, it's the end of limited resources, it's the end of if we win, someone will lose. If we lose, someone will win. It's the start of creating new solutions, new business solutions that are unlimited. So what are you telling us, coming from quantum physics, from biology, from really big thinkers Einstein, david Bohm, bruce Lipton, more people like that they're telling us there's a total new approach to business.
Speaker 2:Is that correct? Yes, absolutely. And as a business leader, it's in your interest to encourage each individual within a corporation, from the top to the very bottom, to raise their individual vibration and, in the end, what this will happen. To bring it back to the nuts and bolts higher productivity, less turnover of employees because they don't want to leave. They like the energy field. You'll attract the right kind of people when you new people coming in and in the end, the bottom line will be better and everybody will be happier. So it's very practical. This there's nothing airy-fairy about. So it's very practical. This, there's nothing airy-fairy about it. It's a very, very practical approach.
Speaker 1:So for the second chapter, I think we go into depth about human energy and how to lead our staff, our team, our people to that awareness-raising, to that consciousness-raising, to create a totally different field. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1:Great. Now we're here for our second chapter. It's how to lead our people, how to lead teams differently, in the sense of leading an energy field. And, interestingly enough, I found in your book about spiritual intelligence at work, I found a reference about McKinsey of Australia, and I think we all do know McKinsey is the leading top management consulting company in the world. Right, and you found a quote about them that when companies use programs that utilize consciousness raising techniques, they raise their productivity, so they raise their bottom line, and at the same time, they reduce the staff turnover. Right, and I think that is now very interesting to elaborate on it. How is that raising of awareness? Where does it come from? Where is the roots? How do we understand it? And I think an interesting start is to elaborate on David Hawkins. David Hawkins is a renowned US-American psychiatrist and he did some really ground breaking research on consciousness, on awareness and on counterbalancing effects. Could you just tell us a little bit the relevance of it for business?
Speaker 2:Well, hawkins really came up with what we call a scale of consciousness which gave us all a way of actually saying well, where are we on this thing? If we're talking high consciousness, low consciousness, what are we talking about? And so what Hawkins gave us was this way to measure it, and he came up with a scale of consciousness from one to a thousand. And a thousand would be when you're in a state of bliss and total love and bliss, and very few people ever reach that love and bliss and very few people ever reach that Right down the bottom end of that scale guilt, shame, apathy, very low vibration. Anger comes a little higher. Anger comes at about 150, still not all that high, but it's not as bad as apathy and shame, which are way down 30, 50, somewhere around there. Which means that if you've got workers in your company that are apathetic, they're driven by guilt because the management just rules by fear and guilt and so on, you've got very low vibration people working in your corporation.
Speaker 2:So, really, what you want? You want people vibrating at around 300, who are, who are much more vibrant in the corporation. They're motivated by excitement, their motivation, they're motivated by wanting to do the right thing. They're motivated by feeling committed to the, to the organization teams. They're very committed to teamwork and so on. So they're high, committed to teamwork and so on. So they're high vibration people. We're not talking about people up to 1,600. Jesus doesn't work for us, nor does Buddha, but they're the people up at that end of the scale. But if the mass of the population, according to Hawkins, is around 200, which is pretty low, according to Hawkins is around 200, which is pretty low. But when you think that the majority of people in the world are below the poverty line and are just on survival, then you can understand that 200 is around where that overall is Great.
Speaker 1:Let's come back to it one more time Now. What you're telling us is David Hawkins found, coming also from quantum physics. From these lessons learned that people are in a certain energy state. This is what we understand, I think.
Speaker 2:Well, they're in an emotional state which has a vibration with it.
Speaker 1:Aha, in an emotional state that has a vibration to it, as we all know what. You're telling us that the average around the world is vibrating at a level of 200. Or below.
Speaker 2:Or below, because most of the world is in a state of poverty and hunger and so on. But in the United States or in Europe, you know we're looking at people that are beyond that and Maslow's hierarchy. You know, most people are at a level now where they they don't have to worry too much about where the meal is coming from, but now they've got time to to work on their, their consciousness and their mindset and their feeling tone and everything else. So what we're looking for in the corporate world is to say let's, let's get these people up to a very high level so that their contribution to the corporation is maximized by many times over.
Speaker 2:See, somebody vibrating at 150 to 200 is only putting in a very small amount of energy. Somebody vibrating at 350, because it's a geometric scale, it's not just a straightforward thing Somebody vibrating at 350 is contributing so much value to the corporation that if you're paying the same money to the same type of person and one's vibrating at 200, another one's vibrating at 350, you've got somebody here that's 10 or 20 times more productive than the one vibrating at 200. You say 200 rather.
Speaker 1:Okay, so did I get it right? There are emotions tied to vibration. Yes, and there are emotions also like fear, that are below 200. There are emotions like anger, still below 200. We're not talking about dumb people here. We're talking about people that are driven by fear or by anger or by other emotions that are below 200 greed greed is below 200.
Speaker 1:So these people, if you have people in your team, they represent an energy take out of your system and also they represent a part of yourself in that system. Now, the positive news about it that if you move up your awareness and this is not like the old chaka chaka american style yes, we can do it and let's do it. No, it's not about pumping up yourself. It is about being more mature about your emotions, though. We're coming into emotional intelligence. We all know about Daniel Goleman and his groundbreaking work about this issue. We're telling us the next emotions that are far superior to 200 coming around acceptance, reason willingness.
Speaker 1:Now please explain us, as a leader in a company, what do you mean by acceptance? What is reason, what is willingness?
Speaker 2:What's tied to it. It's an openness. When you're vibrating at a low level of fear, greed, you're very much in a box and you're afraid to move out of it. But when you're at the willingness and the reason and understanding, you're wide open to all sorts of different ways of looking at what's happening in the world, what is reality, and so on, so that you are bringing for the want of a better word, a higher consciousness to any particular task in your corporation.
Speaker 2:You understand people more, you have a willingness to be open to other people, you're willing to take risk, personal risk. You're willing to be vulnerable to other people, and so that's essential in teamwork to be vulnerable as opposed to just protecting and being uptight and looking after my own interests in case you'd steal my job and all that kind of thing. You see. So we're in a much more open state, a much more aware state. We're not driven by fear anymore. We're open to whatever wants to happen to us. So we're very much more willing to accept life as it comes, but we understand it better. We understand the way life works from a better standpoint.
Speaker 1:Now, this is a totally different way of looking at it. It's not as much as to kind of pump yourself up or believe in positive thinking or yes, I can do it. It is more to be in a state of receptiveness what is happening around me and to accept it as being part of your world how it needs to be.
Speaker 2:That's not to say that we don't have a tremendous amount of power to make things happen the way we want to make them happen. So we're using our higher spiritual intelligence to create what we want to create in the human situation, in the world of work, in our corporation and building a building, an energy that attracts people, attracts the best people, attracts the best quality of product. So everything is not just the people, that that's whose vibration is raised. Everything gets gets raised with it the quality, the production. And going back to the point you made very early on about McKinsey here, when we've got high vibration people working for us, they don't leave because they like to be in this vibration.
Speaker 1:Which is a big issue in the war for talents, it's not the money, it's the energy, the vibrating energy that attracts the best people and they're happy at work because they're adding value, and everybody wants to add value.
Speaker 2:That's one of the things that we've learned over the years that if people feel they're not really giving value, they're not happy. So they're giving value, but they're getting appreciation back. It costs a lot of money to replace an executive, right, and so if your executive leaves, then you've got to pull someone else in. So much better that you keep your executive, keep all your workers, and so everybody feels united. They're all part of something important, so everybody feels united.
Speaker 1:They're all part of something important. Now let's motivate the managers, the leaders out there even more. And one of the comments you made about the work of David Hawkins you said first there is some vibration tied to emotions. So basically, there we talk about emotional intelligence tied to emotions. So basically, there we talk about emotional intelligence. How mature am I to go along with the emotions? Now you also said that the effect that people have on a team is not a linear effect but a geometrical effect. Now's, let's make it.
Speaker 1:Let's make a case if I'm in a department of a car company, pharmaceutical company, a bank, wherever, and I'm surrounded of a team where I find people that are in fear or in anger in small conflicts, or we see that we don't really reach the targets, or we don't find a new marketplace or whatever to transform anger, fear, greed, apathy into willingness, acceptance, joy, reason.
Speaker 2:Why would it help us? Why would it help or how would it? Help why and how how we can do it, why and how? It would help us for the things that we just talked about. It would increase the overall vibration of the company and therefore increase productivity, reduce turnover and all those things reduce conflict. But how do we do it?
Speaker 1:Well, you mentioned this is Before we go on this. I think is very important that we explain it to our leaders. It's an effect that's not linear. So if you raise your awareness coming from anger to reason, to willingness.
Speaker 2:What you're doing is leveraging your people absolutely. You create you've got a, you've got a resource here your human resource. By doing what we're suggesting, you leverage that resource many, many times over in a geometric way, so that you've got the same number of people and yet what the? The amount of value that they're creating in the company is increased many, many times over.
Speaker 2:So if we have one person in our team who is willing to raise the energy conversely, if we've got one person in the team who is who is going downhill in their vibration, they can pull the whole thing down. So what I'm interested in doing is making sure that everyone in the corporation has the tools. Now, this is the important thing that we have tools to help people to raise their vibration individually. It's not that we're going to do like you said. You know, rah-rah, we're all going to come in, we're all going to do motivation, we're all going to swing on ropes, you know, for a day and then we'll go back to doing things normal. What we've got to do, slowly over time, is give the tools for each individual to work on themselves and to work on cleaning out their own energy field Absolutely. And our own energy field is polluted with a lot of toxic wounds and toxic material, which I call human energy. That that is stopping them reaching their potential energetically, and that's where my work is. My work is absolutely helping them to clean that out.
Speaker 1:Now could you give us a clear understanding of how. What kind of tools are you using to clear out that toxic energy, which is just very simple as anger, greed, apathy, fear, so anything that we know, also as leaders? So how, what are the steps? What are the tools?
Speaker 2:The principle, the first principle that we know also as leaders. So how, what are the steps, what are the tools, the principle? The first principle that we, that we work from, is that we're never upset for the reason we think so whenever I think that's simple.
Speaker 1:if I have a team and if my staff, I tell them we need this project be done this day and they don't bring it, it's's their fault. Right, and I'm angry.
Speaker 2:That's right. But you see, if I've given you the order that you've got to do something like this, and you've got to get this done by a certain date and I remind you of your father you are going to resist me because I bring up something in you that, unhealed, that is to do with your father. It has nothing to do with me or the job, but you're going to resist me, you're going to sabotage me, you're going to complain about me and everything, because subconsciously and you're not aware of this, but subconsciously you're saying you're just like my damn father, and he used to be an authority over me, he used to beat the hell out of me. Okay, and I'm not going to let you do it. That's all subconscious, though.
Speaker 1:So what you're telling us is, if something doesn't work in your company, in your team, in your market, the solution is never in the area where you created the problem and you may not even be aware of it. And it may not be that this person, it's always subconscious. It's always subconscious and it's reflecting something to be learned, to raise the awareness about it.
Speaker 2:Right, is that correct? That's correct, and so our job as managers is to give people the opportunity to see you're upset, do you know why you're upset? No, it's all about him. It's not really all about him. Let me give you this little tool here that you can go and do a little worksheet on, and what you'll discover is that it's about something about you that needs to be healed, and what that will do energetically. And we come back now to our spiritual intelligence, because the the worksheet is actually, um, it's activating our spiritual intelligence. In this instance, what this is going to do is going to dissolve the energy around that old wound. So, whereas before I was upset with you because you reminded me of my father, just by doing that worksheet will collapse that energy field and and that will no longer be the case anymore. And then I stop resisting you and then I might even like you.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's take this step by step now. Yeah, right, so someone in the team reflects some hidden part.
Speaker 2:We're never upset for the reason we think Think you see, there's something underneath.
Speaker 1:So it's not about this person. It's not that he's a dull person or he's guilty. He did something. Yes, it wasn't great for the company, not for the team, but the solution is not blaming him. This will make it worse, and we all know If you don't trust anyone, you can't actually finish the relationship. But you're telling us to take this as a learning step. Yes, and bring it back to yourself, which is a hidden part and that gives you back the power of changing it, that you can change the energy around it, right? So it's not about changing the facts. It's not about changing the person, the relationship.
Speaker 2:It's about changing your energy around it, right, right and I want to stress that it's not therapy either.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's not that all of a sudden your human resource person has got to be a psychotherapist and now you're going to therapy and what's your real problem?
Speaker 2:It it all happens energetically and automatically with the use of the tools, so a therapist is not required. The people involved don't even have to know what's the underlying wound might be. That's come up for healing because the worksheet takes care of it. Because the worksheet takes care of it, and by doing the worksheet or listening to an audio program where you just respond with some words, something happens automatically through the use of your own spiritual intelligence. That collapses the energy that's held this whole thing together and you've averted a conflict right there. So this is about conflict resolution, yes, but it's much more about conflict prevention, because if a little upset occurs and if the manager's on his or her toes, they'll say let's go into that room and just spend 20 minutes on that worksheet and see if that deals with the issue, and if it does, you've gotten rid of the whole thing, which otherwise might have escalated into a huge conflict involving unions and everybody getting upset.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, you don't want to go this way. Wasting energy actually, exactly Now. Very interesting approach. You mentioned several times a worksheet yes, and actually it's for download for free on quantum energy management systemcom. Yep, you can download it for free and work on it.
Speaker 2:Those is the first practical step but in a corporation you would have those readily available readily available, right, yes.
Speaker 1:Now let's take the example that you we stated. I'm in a team pharmaceutical, banking, automotive, wherever R&D, sales, marketing, operations doesn't matter and I have this team meeting and I feel like he didn't provide the project in the right quality, right time. I'm basically pissed off.
Speaker 2:I'm angry, I'm angry.
Speaker 1:And I'm a leader, so I'm a leading position. I could just blame him and I could use my power of say you're out of the game. Yeah, this would be one solution. Well, your suggestion is take another solution that has a lot more creative power to change the overall situation for the company and to get better leadership also. Now let's take this example. Could we just walk through the five stages of your human energy balancing approach?
Speaker 2:What would be the first stage. It's a very simple five-step process. The first one is to just what's upsetting you. What's the upset here? Okay, so, in other words, you're telling the story of how you didn't do your job or this guy didn't do his job. Now I'm affected and I'm pissed off and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:So it's telling the story, but we won't tell it the person.
Speaker 2:We tell it to ourselves on the worksheet, or if there's somebody in the corporation who is a coach and trained, then you tell it to the coach or to the trainer. Second thing is to feel the feelings associated with it. Allow yourself to have the anger and the pissed offness.
Speaker 1:This is a new. I know from many sessions I'm having with leaders. It's actually we are allowed to feel the feelings. Now, for most male leaders, that's a huge issue. Yes, it is so in this case you're saying no, you're allowed to feel it. You're allowed to feel fear, or the anger or the emotions that touch you, because the energy is tied into the emotion.
Speaker 2:So first of all, tap into the feeling. Now you've got the energy, you're in touch with the energy.
Speaker 1:Okay, great so please, leaders, go in touch with the feelings. Feel it, don't push it away. Right.
Speaker 2:But feel it, it's energy. The principle there is you can't heal what you don't feel.
Speaker 1:Great, so you can't grow.
Speaker 2:You can't grow, you can't yeah. This whole system is based on a system of forgiveness that I've created, so it's basically using that same idea and bringing it into the corporate world. So the third step, then, is to bring some higher thinking into the situation, some understanding. I realize that this guy is new. He didn't really know the rules and and I'm willing to, you know, give him, cut him some slack here, maybe he'll do better next time, you know.
Speaker 2:So we're we're starting to collapse the story a little bit, just making it, you know, trying to get all the other stuff out of the way, right, but that's as far as it would normally go right in conflict resolution. We're trying to solve what's going on. Yes, we know, however, that there's something underneath all this, something else happening, right. That's to do with childhood. It could be anything Some wound that's coming to the surface in this situation, because this person feels like they've been betrayed or something, or let down, and they, as a child, were let down, so it's coming up again. So the fourth step is what we call the reframe, right, and that's where you say there's something beneath this situation. We don't know what it is because it's unconscious and we actually don't want to know what it is now.
Speaker 1:I think that's the very important point um really to to illustrate to our leaders yeah, I've seen many kinds of many tools, but in this approach, and you as the expert in that field of applying radical tools in in the field to increase the awareness, in the energy of a company, where you're telling us yes, you can name your beliefs, you can name your convictions, you can see how I did wrong here and there and the emotions touch. It all happened in the childhood. You could spend years in therapy. Yeah, we don't want that, we don't want that, don't need it, and you're saying we don't actually need it.
Speaker 2:No, it actually would get in the way.
Speaker 1:It would get in the way.
Speaker 2:It would get in the way, because you're starting to try to intellectualize it and work it through your rational mind, and that doesn't work. What we're using is our spiritual intelligence to get underneath it and we simply this is where the willingness comes in at 350 to 400, our willingness to believe or to be open to the possibility that there is some purpose in this whole thing that we don't understand. That's operating at the spiritual level. And if we just say I'm willing to be open to that, that's all that's required. I am open to the idea that some purpose is being served here which is beyond what we're seeing in front of us. It's not really that. This is just a symptom that underneath there there's something going on that needs to be healed. It needs to be brought to the surface. And if I just say I'm willing to be open to the possibility that my higher self created this situation for me to heal something here and maybe the other person is as well and that it's all perfect, that's all that's required.
Speaker 1:So I sum up.
Speaker 2:Do your best, I do my very best.
Speaker 1:It's accepting what happened, feel the feelings, seeing if there is a pattern in your life that happens to you. That's a clue, that's a clue.
Speaker 2:If you see a pattern, there's a clue, there's a clue. Uh-huh, if everybody keeps letting me down, then that's a clue.
Speaker 1:Then, I'm betraying, so I'm forcing, uh-huh. So this is like the life is mirroring something that I can grow on, raise my awareness and then see, maybe, that there are patterns and naming them. But don't get attached to it, because you would give energy to it and we want to give energy.
Speaker 1:Well, you'd be giving mental energy to it, mental energy, which is the IQ thing, trying to figure it out. We want to get past IQ, we want to get past emotional and it's allowing to see that we are leaders to grow. Our purpose is, if we are leading a company, if we're leading a team, it is because we are willing to grow through learning, through accepting what happens to us personally, or the company or the team. So we are the one to take the lead in accepting that this is a learning chance, in accepting that this is a learning chance.
Speaker 2:For everybody, not just for the leaders. But we lead from that premise that our employees, at whatever level, have these spiritual drives as well as their normal human drives and we have to take care of them at the spiritual level as well and say you know, they have spiritual needs, so we've got to create an environment where those spiritual needs can be met and in meeting the spiritual needs we actually enhance the vibration of the whole company. So whenever a conflict arises, what we know is we're never upset for the reason. We think there's something underneath it and we can provide in very simple ways, tools to help people bring that to the surface, heal it and that's it.
Speaker 1:Right Now. I think the last chapter is about if we see a company as an energy field, if we lead people coming from that awareness racing, how can we apply it to lead the market? So the next chapter will be about this issue.
Speaker 2:Okay, alrighty Good.
Speaker 1:Now, colin, our third topic. First, we had how to see a company as a corporate energy field. The second was how to lead people, raising their awareness, raising their vibration, and the third is how to lead markets energetically, and I do know that you have really created a number of radical tools, one of which is the tool of manifestation. Now, could you explain us what is manifestation and how is manifestation different to goal setting?
Speaker 2:Okay, well, first of all, how I came around to to create the manifestation process was that I found that, using the technology in the workplace for conflict resolution and raising the general vibration of individuals and the whole company, using those tools that activated spiritual intelligence, I asked myself would the same tools work for creating what we want in the future? Because really, what we're doing with the other stuff is is, um, clearing out past impediments or anything that's going to stop us raising our vibration. Yes, but having raised our vibration, then can we use the same tools to create what the future that we want. So that's what I mean by manifestation Making manifest what it is that we want. So the principle there is like attracts like. So if you've already raised your vibration to a decent level let's say for 300 or 350, which is very high- and again 300,.
Speaker 1:350 corresponds to the emotion of reason, acceptance, willingness.
Speaker 2:Willingness and forgiveness, and forgiveness and forgiveness is right there too, and what we mean by forgiveness there is accepting that everything is perfect just the way it is. So it's an acceptance of life as is.
Speaker 2:So, it's a very important principle. So I asked myself would that work for manifestation? So we've used the same tools. So we're manifesting using our spiritual intelligence, and that's the difference. Goal setting is a mental thing Very good, I mean it works. But if you also use the same idea at the spiritual level, you're tapping into a whole new realm of power. So you're attracting what it is you want rather than sort of forcing things. See Hawkins the title of his book is Power Versus Force. Yes, goal setting is forcing. Okay, manifesting is using power, authentic spiritual power, to create what you want. So that's the big difference. I'm not saying it's better than the other. We obviously need goal setting, we need to have certain things that we want to achieve by a certain time. But if we use this higher reasoning and consciousness, we're tapping into a whole new realm of possibility and of potential. That's the main difference.
Speaker 1:I think that is now a huge leverage to leaders to understand how do we apply the concept of manifestations to build our market. I think most leaders, most entrepreneurs, most companies want to find a leading position in their markets. Now could we walk through the steps in terms of comparing? How do we start with manifestation If, for instance, we say we want to become a leader in our market as opposed to? How would we do it as a goal-setting process?
Speaker 2:You know, it's not a matter of us doing very much, it's how we be. That's really important here. Okay, it will naturally follow if we work from a spiritual position whereby we say what's important is integrity, quality, value and I use this word advisedly love Right, love right. And by love I mean, uh, not this romantic love, but uh, but the, but, the, the love of life, the love of, of, uh, of human beings. So we're coming from our heart, right, then all else will follow. That's so. That's real leadership. Real leadership is about being that kind of a person, and then everybody else will follow Like produces, like, like attracts, like. So you will automatically start to lead the market, because people will want to be dealing with you, because they feel your vibration.
Speaker 1:That's the difference. You see, If you want to become a leader in the market, a different company, what would be the steps?
Speaker 2:of manifesting. How would we utilize, use the tool, the approach? What are the stages? You utilize goal setting in the normal way. That's a given. There's nothing wrong with goal setting if it's reasonable and if it ties in with all the other values that we feel are high vibration, values like honesty and fairness and so on. A lot of companies. They set a goal, then you reach it and then they set the goalpost again. They keep on raising.
Speaker 2:But the manifestation process now is a very different sort of activity and we use worksheets just the same. Yes, we go through the same five stages of saying what is it we want? How do I feel about that? What's the feeling that's driving that? And then, what spiritual resources do I use now to create that? So I hate to use this word, but it's a form of prayer in a sense, because what we're saying is to the universe. If you like, let's go back to David Bohm's Implicit Order. David Bohm's Implicit Order I visualize as some sort of supermarket in the sky. There's this huge supermarket in the sky. Everything that ever was, is or will be is there. So when we want to produce something, we say let's go into that supermarket and I say I want that and I want that, and I want that and I want 25,000 of them. Okay, right, your consciousness now, or what you've just done, is put into the universe an intention to pull that in, to attract that to you, and then you just sit back and wait for it.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's again be practical at this stage. I'm in a company. I would like to change my situation in the market. I'd like to change the service that we provide to be of a total new offer. So I go into the supermarket and I manifest I would like to provide a service that is totally new to the market, that's not taking a market share but is creating something new that is of value to the customer, that provides them with a new solution, a real solution. So I pick this one and I attract it.
Speaker 2:So stage number two is Stage number two is actually to visualize it, to say what it is you want, as best as you know how.
Speaker 1:To see who would be the customers, what kind of customers, what attitude, how much do they pay for it?
Speaker 2:you feel a feeling how the customer feels.
Speaker 1:So you really feel it. Here's the spiritual step.
Speaker 2:Now you take me to a real hard one now the spiritual step is the hard one, and that's where you say I give it over to spirit, I give it over to whatever I think of as my higher power to produce this or better. No way, you have to help me understand this one.
Speaker 1:I learned in business. I want something, I feel it, I go along no problem, I am happy. Now, I want it. Now I get into my goal setting process with my team, set the goals quarterly and set massive action to get it. Now you're telling me, Stefan, well, up until the feeling part, we're fine, but the third part is let it go Power versus force.
Speaker 2:What you've described to me is force Us trying to make things happen at the world of form, physical form. Nothing wrong with that. We're human beings and we're going to do that. But we're not as powerful as when we are using our spiritual intelligence to activate a much higher level of power. That comes only when we have raised our vibration first. It will only work for us if we're already at a reasonably high level of vibration, because then we can tap into this other whole universe, this other whole area of production that will then attract to us not only the right ideas but the right people to do it for us. All of a sudden, help will come that you've never dreamed of. You never dreamed, you never visualized that all of a sudden this company would pick up the phone and say to you Stefan, I've got a job for you. I want this happening. So all sorts of things will start to happen that you have never even imagined possible, because you're coming from your power and you're not trying to force it Right. It's very difficult to understand this.
Speaker 1:It's difficult to understand, but let's try again now. Try to figure out what you're telling me, you're saying. If you manifest it, if you feel it, then the next stage is actually that you started to raise your own awareness, which is coming from fear, anger, greed, to reason, to willingness, to joy, to forgiveness, to basically clean up in yourself, which will lead you to a totally different vibration. The vibration is that you understand. It's more that you pull in.
Speaker 2:Let me give you a really simple example.
Speaker 2:Never mind about BP and all those Colin Tipping okay, yes, my little office at home, right, just me, my wife and a couple of little assistants. Okay, yes, that's my company company, right? We had a meeting one day and we said you know we could, we could really use somebody that has a particular skill that we needed. Yes, so, uh. So we said, okay, let's just put that out there, that's what we want.
Speaker 2:The very next day, there's a knock on the door and this guy's standing there. I knew him, his name was Neil and he said I'm here to help you. I said are you? What can you do? He said well, it just so happens that I've got quite a few weeks doing nothing and I thought you needed some help, so I'm going to help you do whatever it was. Whatever, I forget now what it was. Figures, I think we were. Whatever it was, you know. Whatever I forget now what it was. Figures I think we were wanting some accounting done. He said I'm here to help you, whatever you want. We manifested him Because we simply put it out there as an intention, as a request to the universe, but we didn't see if we just relied on goal setting or trying to do things by force.
Speaker 1:You would have called a number of agencies. Do you have someone in your database? Could we test him, test her? And instead you manifested support for your company in the area of accounting.
Speaker 2:And the right person.
Speaker 1:And the right person you didn't manifest. I want Neil. You manifested the right person for our company, who does a brilliant job on accounting. He may come to us and surface.
Speaker 2:He was an exact fit to what we wanted.
Speaker 1:And you didn't search for it, you didn't test it. No, he would just pop in.
Speaker 2:Intention, the power of intention, the power of intention, and that's what David Bohm, you know, this great physicist, right, we're not talking woo-woo here, this great physicist said that what makes the difference how you pull from the implicate order to the explicate order is consciousness. That's what does it. It's our minds that do it, and the higher your vibration, the better it works and the more accurate it is it is.
Speaker 1:Now we're not all at the 400, 500, 600 waves area, yet we're growing into it. So what will I do once I'm manifested, once I've felt in the time when I let go of the fulfillment of my manifestation, let go of the form of manifestation? This is what you're telling me? Yeah, because you're telling me, you don't know, you may even get better. And if you just put it, I want that, I want Neil, I want this person. This may not be the right person. You may even get better.
Speaker 2:You might need something else completely that you've never thought of.
Speaker 1:So how could we help the leaders out there in that time when they have to let go of the form and let go of the fulfillment? What can we do?
Speaker 2:We teach them how to do that. We teach them how to trust the process. It's trusting it. That's the big deal. Okay, because?
Speaker 2:you know how do you know whether something's going to happen? You know, you put it out there, but then you've got to trust. Just like a gardener, when he puts a seed in the ground, he doesn't go and dig it up after two days to see if it's sprouting right. He has to trust that it's going to come up, and and so that's a difficult thing. So you need to help people to build the trust in this manifestation process by doing small things. Let's just try to manifest something today and see if it works. And if it does, then we say, wow, that worked. It must be me that did that. So you're building the trust slowly, slowly, slowly. So even in their own personal lives it's working. And then, if it works in their personal life, then they're going to work it to. Then they're going to use it in the business world, the business setting Also. But the whole team has got to be on the board with this too. So it's. You know there's a lot of leaders out there that are doing this. I have to say that you know this is not brand new. There's a lot of leaders that are really working from that level and probably not saying too much about it, but they are doing it. So it's practical and proven. Yeah, it's bringing it to a point where more people are doing it, that it's become mainstream instead of extraordinary For small companies.
Speaker 2:You know, small companies just like me. Four or five people in an office manifesting Neil right Right there. So doctor's offices, 12, 14 people, companies of 50, family businesses those are the people that can really that we can touch 12, 14 people, companies of 50, family businesses those are the people that we can touch in probably a more dramatic way than we can with the big corporations. The big corporations are so into their structures and into their procedures that it's difficult to touch those. But to the smaller companies, we can make a huge difference to them in a very, very short space of time. So let me get the picture right.
Speaker 1:The new way. Let's call it the new way, even though you say there are a lot of people out there. Oh yeah, there's a lot of people doing it. The new way in terms of awareness, that we are aware about it. If I take a typical day now of the new way, it will be that I raise my own awareness through forgiveness, through watching in the mirror of my team what's happening out there. Take it back to me and clean it out. You provide some worksheets for that.
Speaker 1:At the same time, I manifest for the new situation I want to create. I feel it. I let go of it, of the form and the fulfillment. So I still keep on walking the steps towards the intent and yet I watch what is coming back and I utilize to grow my awareness. So it's not hanging out as a couch potato say oh, it's all spiritual. It is still going the steps, but not being closed and wanting the target. But it's letting come what will make it even better, including it and raising my awareness and maybe even change the direction to get something even better. Is that the new?
Speaker 2:way, and one way to conceive of it is this that you set a goal because what you've got right now is not quite what you want. So you set a goal because you know what you've got right now is not quite what you want. So you set a goal and that comes from the mind. So A is where you are now, B is where you think you want to get to, but if you're too fixated on B, you won't notice C coming in from the side, and C is often the spiritual answer to your problem. You think that this is your problem and that might be your answer. So you set your intention to have some sort of you create a journey towards that goal, always knowing, however, that there's something better that might come in from the side, and that's what you need to trust, so that, if it does come in from the side, there's our solution. It wasn't B, after all, it was C.
Speaker 1:So it's basically a paradox. You have to do two things at the same time. You have to manifest something, to bring it into the explicit order you have to be in motion. To be in motion.
Speaker 2:In motion, not in motion, also also in in motion.
Speaker 1:You're making a journey to make a journey towards and have steps towards it, and yet you have to be totally open and probably in emotion yeah to be in your heart, to be aware, to create the awareness and to see what's happening and include it in the journey and maybe to reach something totally new, totally different easier, less efforts.
Speaker 2:Everybody in the team must be on board with that possibility that we're always looking for, that whatever wants to come in from the side, and what we're trying to do is align our consciousness with what's coming in from the side. So always being open, being willing to look and see the possibility and the potential of something else and to recognize a message when we get one right, that somebody is telling us something. So we trust our intuition, we trust our gut feelings, yes, so we're encouraged to speak out when it doesn't feel right, because our feelings, our bodies, are our antenna for the spiritual intelligence. So our spiritual intelligence could be saying no, don't do that, whereas our logic saying yes, we have to learn to trust that gut feeling. So that's all part of the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Great. I think now we are all inspired first to raise our own awareness, clearing and cleansing our mind, and to manifest the future, and I think we all invite everyone out there to test it. Not to believe in it, but to test it. Apply it for at least 30 days on a daily basis together with your team, and you can download the worksheets on wwwquantumanagemanagementsystemcom. They are for free, and if there are miracles happening out there, write to us. We want to know.
Speaker 2:All right, so thank you for this great talk, great discussion.
Speaker 1:Good and see you soon.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.